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"Betterbird is a fine-tuned version of Mozilla Thunderbird,
Thunderbird on steroids, if you will.
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"Betterbird. Simply better.
"Betterbird is a fine-tuned version of Mozilla Thunderbird,
Thunderbird on steroids, if you will.
"Betterbird is better than Thunderbird in three ways: It
contains new features exclusive to Betterbird, it contains bug
fixes exclusive to Betterbird and it contains fixes that
Thunderbird may ship at a later stage. Please refer to the
feature table for examples.
MORE: http://betterbird.eu/
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I would like to see the old enigmail plugin back. Before they incorporated enigmail into Thunderbird, enigmail used your users GnuPG configuration, used your keyring. Then when they moved it into Thunderbird, they changed it so it used its own keyring. That made me stop using Thunderbird because I didn't want to, or see the advantage of, managing two seperate keyrings and keeping them in sync.
Re: Betterbird..
By: Boraxman to Ogg on Tue Apr 19 2022 07:34 pm
I would like to see the old enigmail plugin back. Before they incorporated
enigmail into Thunderbird, enigmail used your users GnuPG configuration, used
your keyring. Then when they moved it into Thunderbird, they changed it so it
used its own keyring. That made me stop using Thunderbird because I didn't wa
to, or see the advantage of, managing two seperate keyrings and keeping them i
sync.
man pgp is too much work to setup, and people rarely use it anymore.
it's better to just use another type of communication if you want to encrypt communications.
Yes, but which one? Signal works well, though you need to sign up with your phone number, which some people don't like. Telegram is closed source.
The advantage of PGP is you can use it with your existing e-mail address. I used to use it with others, I set it up for them. The real problem is they lose their keys when they inevitably have to reinstall windows, get their drive wiped or change computers.
man pgp is too much work to setup, and people rarely use it
anymore.
it's better to just use another type of communication if you want to encrypt communications. -+-
Yes, but which one? Signal works well, though you need to
sign up with your phone number, which some people don't
like. Telegram is closed source.
just pick one. or txt them
The advantage of PGP is you can use it with your existing
e-mail address. I used to use it with others, I set it up
for them..
yeah i played around it a bunch years ago. i wouldnt use it
in today's age.
it's better to just use another type of communication if
you want to encrypt communications.
Yes, but which one? Signal works well, though you need to
sign up with your phone number, which some people don't
like. Telegram is closed source.
The advantage of PGP is you can use it with your existing
e-mail address. I used to use it with others, I set it up
for them. The real problem is they lose their keys when
they inevitably have to reinstall windows, get their drive
wiped or change computers.
I would like to see the old enigmail plugin back. Before
they incorporated enigmail into Thunderbird, enigmail used
your users GnuPG configuration, used your keyring. Then
when they moved it into Thunderbird, they changed it so it
used its own keyring. That made me stop using Thunderbird
because I didn't want to, or see the advantage of, managing
two seperate keyrings and keeping them in sync.
Hello MRO!
** On Tuesday 19.04.22 - 13:47, MRO wrote to Boraxman:
man pgp is too much work to setup, and people rarely use it
anymore.
What is so hard about it?
Hello MRO!
** On Wednesday 20.04.22 - 05:00, MRO wrote to Boraxman:
Yes, but which one? Signal works well, though you need to
sign up with your phone number, which some people don't
like. Telegram is closed source.
just pick one. or txt them
txt (SMS) is purely in the clear, and provides absolutely no
privacy at all.
Telegram is OPEN source. It's in the 1st paragraph here:
https://telegram.org/apps
txt (SMS) is purely in the clear, and provides absolutely no
privacy at all.
Re: Betterbird..
By: Boraxman to MRO on Wed Apr 20 2022 05:29 pm
Yes, but which one? Signal works well, though you need to sign up with your phone
number, which some people don't like. Telegram is closed source.
just pick one. or txt them
The advantage of PGP is you can use it with your existing e-mail address. I used to u
it with others, I set it up for them. The real problem is they lose their keys when t
inevitably have to reinstall windows, get their drive wiped or change computers.
yeah i played around it a bunch years ago.
i wouldnt use it in today's age.
Hello Boraxman!
** On Wednesday 20.04.22 - 17:29, Boraxman wrote to MRO:
it's better to just use another type of communication if
you want to encrypt communications.
Yes, but which one? Signal works well, though you need to
sign up with your phone number, which some people don't
like. Telegram is closed source.
Check out DeltaChat. It uses your existing email address. It
doesn't require any passphrase setup. And.. it's possible to
synchronize the app across multiple devices that can use the
same email address.
Telegram is OPEN source. It's in the 1st paragraph here:
https://telegram.org/apps
The advantage of PGP is you can use it with your existing
e-mail address. I used to use it with others, I set it up
for them. The real problem is they lose their keys when
they inevitably have to reinstall windows, get their drive
wiped or change computers.
DeltaChat might be a good option for those people you mention
who might like to entertain some extra privacy in email every
now and then.
Hello Boraxman!
** On Tuesday 19.04.22 - 19:34, Boraxman wrote to Ogg:
I would like to see the old enigmail plugin back. Before
they incorporated enigmail into Thunderbird, enigmail used
your users GnuPG configuration, used your keyring. Then
when they moved it into Thunderbird, they changed it so it
used its own keyring. That made me stop using Thunderbird
because I didn't want to, or see the advantage of, managing
two seperate keyrings and keeping them in sync.
I don't like the way the new TB does it either.
That's why I rolled back to a version that works best for me.
I love the way Enigmail simplifies everything, and allows
updating keys from one device to another.
Re: Betterbird..
By: Ogg to MRO on Wed Apr 20 2022 05:39 pm
Hello MRO!
** On Tuesday 19.04.22 - 13:47, MRO wrote to Boraxman:
man pgp is too much work to setup, and people rarely use it
anymore.
What is so hard about it?
it's just another hassle. and you have to make sure people you send email to have it too.
deltachat looks cool i'm wondering why it's 125mb on windows, though.
I just don't bother using it with people who don't want to use it. If they want me to do something like give them a password via plaintext, then I simply wont.
I'll check it out. The problem is, some people I know who are worried about privacy, wont bother using tools, not GPG, not anything.
Re: Betterbird..
By: Boraxman to MRO on Thu Apr 21 2022 08:25 pm
I just don't bother using it with people who don't want to use it. If they wa
me to do something like give them a password via plaintext, then I simply wont
yeah but if you give them a pasword or something like that, they should login and
immediately change it.
yeah but if you give them a pasword or something like that,
they should login and immediately change it.
Doesn't work if it an account that we both need to be able
to access (i.e., an admin password).
Hello Boraxman!
** On Friday 22.04.22 - 17:31, Boraxman wrote to MRO:
yeah but if you give them a pasword or something like that,
they should login and immediately change it.
With services like Protonmail, the non-Protonmail recipient
just needs to know the passphrase that you used for that
particular message. In those instances, I just send a "formula"
to the recipient in a separate email that only the recipient
would know how to solve. For example,
passphrase = <yourtown>+<petname>+<YearOfYourCar>
Only the recipient would know how to solve for the above.
Or... the two of you could agree on using exactly the same
book, and use something like this:
passphrase = ourbook(the first 3 words on page 100, row 10)
Doesn't work if it an account that we both need to be able
to access (i.e., an admin password).
That's a different matter. But for emails, and passworded
files, a formula method like above could work.
--A workable idea, definately. Another simple option, if you're just looking for the "keep prying eyes who might steal my laptop/gain my password" people out is to send the password in an SMS.
Or... the two of you could agree on using exactly the same
book, and use something like this:
passphrase = ourbook(the first 3 words on page 100, row 10)
--A workable idea, definately.
Another simple option, if you're just looking for the "keep
prying eyes who might steal my laptop/gain my password"
people out is to send the password in an SMS.
Not as secure,especially if your phone is stolen, but if
you delete the message, it should protect you from 99% of
the cases where you will need encryption.
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Hello Boraxman!
** On Monday 25.04.22 - 09:47, Boraxman wrote to Ogg:
Or... the two of you could agree on using exactly the same
book, and use something like this:
passphrase = ourbook(the first 3 words on page 100, row 10)
--A workable idea, definately.
Two people can even establish a "phrase" based on a favourite
"anything" (a food item, wine, tech toy, book, etc..) ..and
simply pre-establish that you will use the first or last 5-
digits of the product code (or in the case of a book, part of
the isbn number.)
I get totally frustrated when some people send me eTransfers
and they put the answer to the passphrase right in the message
box (even when the system expressly reminds the user NOT to do
that.)
Or, they use something really simple like "the town you live
in". Anyone who knows me would know the answer to that.
It's a sad commentary that some people just don't appreciate
the relevance of keeping things like passphrases and passwords
private.
Another simple option, if you're just looking for the "keep
prying eyes who might steal my laptop/gain my password"
people out is to send the password in an SMS.
SMS is totally in the clear, and probably all logged - forever.
Not as secure,especially if your phone is stolen, but if
you delete the message, it should protect you from 99% of
the cases where you will need encryption.
Deleting an SMS on your phone, maybe. But all those messages
are accessible to the people who work in the phone industry.
Ogg wrote to All <=-
"Betterbird. Simply better.
"Betterbird is a fine-tuned version of Mozilla Thunderbird,
Thunderbird on steroids, if you will.
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