Swc wrote to Phigan <=-

I have been having ChatGPT write me code for small discord projects. Yesterday I had it write me code for a BBS in python. I will see how it works sometime this week. It is fun when you use it as a tool.

Yeah, I used it just playing around with song ideas and it gave me a
'jumping off point' - but then used it to help me write some AppleScript -
I had to do some major tweaks to get it to work, but it saved me a ton
of time!



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Jimmy Anderson wrote to Swc <=-

Yeah, I used it just playing around with song ideas and it gave me a 'jumping off point' - but then used it to help me write some
AppleScript - I had to do some major tweaks to get it to work, but it saved me a ton of time!

My wife seems to think that AI is going to put a lot of people out of
work, I think it's going to impact some people, but those who adapt to
use tools like ChatGPT to make themselves more productive will be OK.

If I was a "digital nomad" making money by creating throwaway content
for the web being paid to sell ads, I'd be worried.

Otherwise, I'm hoping AI is like the advent of step-programmable
calculators, where people didn't have to do the grunt work of
mathematics and could do the imaginative stuff instead.



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Re: Re: ChatGPT
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Jimmy Anderson on Sun May 07 2023 07:06 am

If I was a "digital nomad" making money by creating throwaway content
for the web being paid to sell ads, I'd be worried.

To be honest, I think that business model was an overgrown bubble ready to burst anyway.

Too much people is doing it, but the work itself is not very productive. You need a whole lot of traffic to make a meaningful profit.

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Re: Re: ChatGPT
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Jimmy Anderson on Sun May 07 2023 07:06:00

Otherwise, I'm hoping AI is like the advent of step-programmable calculators, where people didn't have to do the grunt work of
mathematics and could do the imaginative stuff instead.

Been playing with Github Copilot a bit on my personal system, and will say it definitely helps with boilerplate code. Like was (re)creating a schema script for PostgreSQL based on an existing SQL Server dump, and most of the many/many tables did a perfect job as soon as I named the table.

Ex: User table defined, Role table defined, UserRole table autocompleted with references. I also had several effectively enumeration tables, and the unique index on the natural keys autocompleted for most of the tables as well. It was definitely nifty cutting down on the typing. It's like auto-complete for coding, but supercharged.


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poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

My wife seems to think that AI is going to put a lot of people out of work, I think it's going to impact some people, but those who adapt to
use tools like ChatGPT to make themselves more productive will be OK.

It's no different than any technology advancement. Some opportunities will close, others will open.

Otherwise, I'm hoping AI is like the advent of step-programmable calculators, where people didn't have to do the grunt work of
mathematics and could do the imaginative stuff instead.

That would be nice. But I remember CASE tools back in the 1990's. They were supposed to eliminate programmers. The business analysis entered the requirements in and the CASE tool spit out the code.

And we all know where CASE tools ended up.

So I'm not real concerned about AI right now. But, in general, you should always pay attention and if your job becomes something that a machine can do, it's time for a career change.


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Re: Re: ChatGPT
By: Dr. What to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon May 08 2023 07:43 am

poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

My wife seems to think that AI is going to put a lot of people out of work, I think it's going to impact some people, but those who adapt to use tools like ChatGPT to make themselves more productive will be OK.

It's no different than any technology advancement. Some opportunities will close, others will open.

Otherwise, I'm hoping AI is like the advent of step-programmable calculators, where people didn't have to do the grunt work of mathematics and could do the imaginative stuff instead.

That would be nice. But I remember CASE tools back in the 1990's. They wer supposed to eliminate programmers. The business analysis entered the requirements in and the CASE tool spit out the code.

And we all know where CASE tools ended up.

So I'm not real concerned about AI right now. But, in general, you should always pay attention and if your job becomes something that a machine can do it's time for a career change.

... A perfect woman is one that is inflated to 40psi.

In the 1800's the laborers feared steam power and mechanical automation. A large pattern cutter could churn out parts, shift after shift, and one person could oversee several machines. Factory automation put fear in the minds of professionals and journeymen who could create every piece of a chair or
wagon. In the 1950's they began to fear a day when tabulation machines (aka electronic brains) would take away people's jobs.

Change and advancement in technology will always be viewed with skepticism
and uncertainty. A jobs are eliminated, new jobs appear. Graduates may be doing work that did not exist before they went to college.

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Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

To be honest, I think that business model was an overgrown bubble ready
to burst anyway.

Too much people is doing it, but the work itself is not very
productive. You need a whole lot of traffic to make a meaningful
profit.

Agreed. The #vanlife bubble seems to be bursting, lots of people decided
to ditch rent and travel during the lockdown, and I think that made
content creation a viable income stream for quite a few - when you don't
have a lot of expenses.

I read news articles on Google assistant on my phone, and some of them
are absolutely meaningless - 500 words on a celebrities instragram
posts, with contrived back story and a dozen ad links.



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Tracker1 wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Been playing with Github Copilot a bit on my personal system, and will
say it definitely helps with boilerplate code. Like was (re)creating a schema script for PostgreSQL based on an existing SQL Server dump, and most of the many/many tables did a perfect job as soon as I named the table.

I wonder if it would work with deprecated PHP code? I have a photo
gallery app that's abandoned and a wordpress script I've modified for
my personal site - neither of them work with the newest version of PHP
and throw errors. I don't know a lot of PHP, just enough to get in
trouble.




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Moondog wrote to Dr. What <=-

Change and advancement in technology will always be viewed with
skepticism and uncertainty. A jobs are eliminated, new jobs appear. Graduates may be doing work that did not exist before they went to college.

My concern is whether or not this generation coming out of college can
adapt quickly.



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My concern is whether or not this generation coming out of college can adapt quickly.

Yeah, like being told they have to take a break, and clock-out after they start the tape backups, come back right as the tape finishes, clock in, and change the tape, then clock back out, take another break, etc. until the backups are finished,, then clock out for the night and go home.... Darn it, I hated that Job with a passion! I was the happiest person when they told me they had to let me go, because I mis-typed the date on one of the jobs....

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Re: Re: ChatGPT
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Tue May 09 2023 06:07 am

Moondog wrote to Dr. What <=-

Change and advancement in technology will always be viewed with skepticism and uncertainty. A jobs are eliminated, new jobs appear. Graduates may be doing work that did not exist before they went to college.

My concern is whether or not this generation coming out of college can
adapt quickly.

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Mileage vaies, so i can only talk about who I know. My niece graduated two years ago with inspiration to be an interior decorator, and she got an internship right out of school with an architecture/ design firm. My nephew
is studying engineering at Michigan Tech, and his summer jobs have been internships doing engineering work. Last year it was with a machine shop
that does alot of CNC work, and this summer he is staying up north to work
in engineering at a port. My oldest nephew went the armed services route and ranger school and special forces, and he's making much better money than joining the regular army. His mos is a medical sergeant, so he will leave
the service with a skill set that is employable.

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Re: Re: ChatGPT
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Tue May 09 2023 06:07 am

Change and advancement in technology will always be viewed with skepticism and uncertainty. A jobs are eliminated, new jobs appear. Graduates may be doing work that did not
exist before they went to college.

My concern is whether or not this generation coming out of college can
adapt quickly.

It'll vary by person, but (hopefully) this won't all change overnight.

Cutting-edge employers with six figure salaries for new grads are going to be a
trend-chasing rollercoaster as always, but there will be plenty of old-school shops
that resist change.

And, of course, if you're going into a field because you're passionate about it (rare, I know),
then hopefully ChatGPT will be just another tool to learn and apply.


The big thing I worry about will be the people already a few years out of college, but not yet
experienced enough to have seniority. That was my position when COVID hit (not a new grad, no
new grad sympathy, but not experienced enough to be worth the not-new-grad paycheck). and it made
job finding an absolute bitch. If you're new enough to be disposable, but far enough out of
college to be behind the curve on AI, then you're going to have a very, very hard time.

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Re: Re: ChatGPT
By: Dr. What to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon May 08 2023 07:43:00

So I'm not real concerned about AI right now. But, in general, you should always pay attention and if your job becomes something that a machine can do, it's time for a career change.

Plunbing should be safe for a long while to come.


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Re: Re: ChatGPT
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Tracker1 on Tue May 09 2023 06:04:00

Been playing with Github Copilot a bit on my personal system, and
will say it definitely helps with boilerplate code. Like was
(re)creating a schema script for PostgreSQL based on an existing SQL
Server dump, and most of the many/many tables did a perfect job as
soon as I named the table.

I wonder if it would work with deprecated PHP code? I have a photo
gallery app that's abandoned and a wordpress script I've modified for
my personal site - neither of them work with the newest version of PHP
and throw errors. I don't know a lot of PHP, just enough to get in trouble.

Possibly... it's mostly like a turbo-charger for auto-complete in VS Code. I haven't used it for anything more than that. I don't know what changed in PHP well enough to even know where to begin on the apps you're working with.


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Re: Re: ChatGPT
By: Tracker1 to Dr. What on Wed May 10 2023 11:46 pm

Re: Re: ChatGPT
By: Dr. What to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon May 08 2023 07:43:00

So I'm not real concerned about AI right now. But, in general, you should always pay attention and if your job becomes something that a machine can do, it's time for a career change.

Plunbing should be safe for a long while to come.

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i've been around the block a lot. and i've done a lot of things.
i'm not scared of a machine or a computer taking over anything i've done in my 28 years of working. if anything, i'll be running the machine that does what i used to do.

i've even seen machines take over for manual labor like taking a box off of a line and stacking it. fine, i'll be the guy that fixes it when it fucks up. they didnt eliminate anybody for that job, they simply gave that guy an easier time so he can focus on something else.
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Tracker1 wrote to Dr. What <=-

So I'm not real concerned about AI right now. But, in general, you should always pay attention and if your job becomes something that a machine can do, it's time for a career change.

Plunbing should be safe for a long while to come.

Except in California cities - where it seems to be optional. And I'm hearing now in some areas on Lake Erie where people just go where they feel like it.


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Re: Re: ChatGPT
By: MRO to Tracker1 on Thu May 11 2023 12:34 am

i've even seen machines take over for manual labor like taking a box off of a line and stacking it. fine, i'll be
the guy that fixes it when it fucks up. they didnt eliminate anybody for that job, they simply gave that guy an
easier time so he can focus on something else.

The main thing is going to be how simple/mechanical/repeatable the action is.

Sort of like how "do arithmetic for eight hours a day" was replaced by Excel, but "Use the results of that arithmetic to write reports and suggestions, tailored to the complex blend of personalities that have a stake in it" has taken much longer to adequately automate.

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Re: Re: ChatGPT
By: Margaerynne to MRO on Thu May 11 2023 09:57 am

Re: Re: ChatGPT
By: MRO to Tracker1 on Thu May 11 2023 12:34 am

i've even seen machines take over for manual labor like taking a box off of a line and stacking it. fine, i'll be
the guy that fixes it when it fucks up. they didnt eliminate anybody for that job, they simply gave that guy an
easier time so he can focus on something else.

The main thing is going to be how simple/mechanical/repeatable the action is.

Sort of like how "do arithmetic for eight hours a day" was replaced by Excel, but "Use the results of that arithmetic to write reports and suggestions, tailored to the complex blend of personalities that have a stake in it" has taken much longer to adequately automate.

places like amazon and johnson's wax (used robot trains for 30+years) use automated bots for moving product around. there's still people who have to operate the bots and take/work with the materials from them.

so machines and robots will not take over. i've been hearing that since i was a kid.
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John Guillory wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Yeah, like being told they have to take a break, and clock-out after
they start the tape backups, come back right as the tape finishes,
clock in, and change the tape, then clock back out, take another break, etc. until the backups are finished,, then clock out for the night and
go home.... Darn it, I hated that Job with a passion! I was the
happiest person when they told me they had to let me go, because I mis-typed the date on one of the jobs....

Clocking in/out sounds like a bummer. My first IT gig was working at the University bookstore, we had a PICK midrange computer, and I did all
sorts of IT support tasks and did light coding.

Over the years I worked an early shift where I'd print and distribute
all of the overnight print jobs, and a later shift where I'd do closing procedures and run tape backups.

I never had to clock out, and enjoyed being alone in the building
watching the systems -- it's where my BBS hobby started, dialing BBSes
while watching tape drives spinning...





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Dr. What wrote to Tracker1 <=-

Tracker1 wrote to Dr. What <=-

So I'm not real concerned about AI right now. But, in general, you should always pay attention and if your job becomes something that a machine can do, it's time for a career change.

Plunbing should be safe for a long while to come.

Except in California cities - where it seems to be optional.

I don't know what you're hearing, but I'd love to see some citations.


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poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dr. What <=-

Except in California cities - where it seems to be optional.

I don't know what you're hearing, but I'd love to see some citations.

If you are unaware of the sanitation problems in some California cities then you are willfilly ignorant. And I don't waste my time trying to educate the willfully ignorant.


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Re: Re: ChatGPT
By: Dr. What to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat May 13 2023 08:17 am

If you are unaware of the sanitation problems in some California cities then you are willfilly ignorant. And I
don't waste my time trying to educate the willfully ignorant.

What about for someone who doesn't run in those circles, but is curious?

I don't watch much news, outside of local.

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Re: Re: ChatGPT
By: Margaerynne to Dr. What on Sat May 13 2023 08:00 pm

Re: Re: ChatGPT
By: Dr. What to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat May 13 2023 08:17 am

If you are unaware of the sanitation problems in some California cities then you are willfilly ignorant. And I
don't waste my time trying to educate the willfully ignorant.

What about for someone who doesn't run in those circles, but is curious?

I don't watch much news, outside of local.

use google

people shit on the ground. tent cities. needles on the ground.
walgreens thefts.
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Margaerynne wrote to Dr. What <=-

If you are unaware of the sanitation problems in some California cities then

you are willfilly ignorant. And I

don't waste my time trying to educate the willfully ignorant.

What about for someone who doesn't run in those circles, but is
curious?

I've made no reference to any "circles".

I don't watch much news, outside of local.

Willful ignorance is willful ignorance, no matter the reason.


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Re: Re: ChatGPT
By: Dr. What to Margaerynne on Sun May 14 2023 07:36 am

I've made no reference to any "circles".

Ah, I see! There is the ability to understand things even
when they are not explicitly spelled out, but I'm beginning
to feel that might be a bit rarer than previously thought.

Willful ignorance is willful ignorance, no matter the reason.

And it's what keeps people sane!

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Re: Re: ChatGPT
By: Margaerynne to Dr. What on Sun May 14 2023 08:50 pm

Re: Re: ChatGPT
By: Dr. What to Margaerynne on Sun May 14 2023 07:36 am

I've made no reference to any "circles".

Ah, I see! There is the ability to understand things even
when they are not explicitly spelled out, but I'm beginning
to feel that might be a bit rarer than previously thought.

Willful ignorance is willful ignorance, no matter the reason.

And it's what keeps people sane!

i dont have a tv and i don't watch the news but i still know
whats going on there.
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Margaerynne wrote to Dr. What <=-

Willful ignorance is willful ignorance, no matter the reason.

And it's what keeps people sane!

It's what keeps people oppressed.


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Re: Re: ChatGPT
By: Dr. What to Margaerynne on Mon May 15 2023 07:42:00

Willful ignorance is willful ignorance, no matter the reason.

And it's what keeps people sane!

It's what keeps people oppressed.

Willful ignorance keeps people oppressed?? How so?
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Hello MRO!

** On Thursday 11.05.23 - 15:40, MRO wrote to Margaerynne:

places like amazon and johnson's wax (used robot trains for 30+years)
use automated bots for moving product around. there's still people who have to operate the bots and take/work with the materials from them.

so machines and robots will not take over. i've been hearing that since i was a kid. -+-

But one bot/robot can do the work of many humans. You need one
human to maintain, monitor or repair a bunch of machines.

Machines HAVE displaced a bunch of humans for a task.


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I don't watch much news, outside of local.

use google

people shit on the ground. tent cities. needles on the ground.
walgreens thefts.

What MRO said. Some celebrities have started calling out San
Fransisco in particular regardng these issues. There is even an app called Crapchat (or maybe Snapcrap?) that lets users take photos of feces,
needles, and other such lovely things littering the street. IIRC, the app alerts the city, or maybe just other appalled users.


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Re: Re: ChatGPT
By: Hustler to Dr. What on Mon May 15 2023 12:52 pm

It's what keeps people oppressed.

Willful ignorance keeps people oppressed?? How so?

information is power
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Re: ChatGPT
By: Ogg to MRO on Mon May 15 2023 03:06 pm

so machines and robots will not take over. i've been hearing that since i was a kid. -+-

But one bot/robot can do the work of many humans. You need one
human to maintain, monitor or repair a bunch of machines.

Machines HAVE displaced a bunch of humans for a task.

maybe casheers at checkout isles, but whatever is lost isnt that bad.

yes robots paint cars too. those people just do other things.
i wouldn't want any of the jobs that robots do.
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Re: Re: ChatGPT
By: Dumas Walker to MARGAERYNNE on Mon May 15 2023 03:53 pm

What MRO said. Some celebrities have started calling out San
Fransisco in particular regardng these issues. There is even an app called Crapchat (or maybe Snapcrap?) that lets
users take photos of feces,
needles, and other such lovely things littering the street. IIRC, the app alerts the city, or maybe just other
appalled users.

See, that makes more sense. Thanks for the added detail, I genuinely appreciate it.

After living out west and hearing about how the city I was living in was actually an active war zone
where blood was flooding the Sound... I tend to be a little skeptical of "Oh, you know, /California/" talk.


But from what I've heard, SF still hasn't really started recovering from the pandemic.
Regardless of anything else, it's a shame that it's getting this bad, and I hope they turn it around.

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Re: Re: ChatGPT
By: Margaerynne to Dumas Walker on Mon May 15 2023 11:06 pm

But from what I've heard, SF still hasn't really started recovering from the pandemic.
Regardless of anything else, it's a shame that it's getting this bad, and I hope they turn it around.

it was shitty before the pandemic. no pun intended.
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Hustler wrote to Dr. What <=-

Willful ignorance is willful ignorance, no matter the reason.

And it's what keeps people sane!

It's what keeps people oppressed.

Willful ignorance keeps people oppressed?? How so?

You already answered your question.


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Re: ChatGPT
By: Ogg to MRO on Mon May 15 2023 03:06 pm

Hello MRO!

** On Thursday 11.05.23 - 15:40, MRO wrote to Margaerynne:

places like amazon and johnson's wax (used robot trains for 30+years) use automated bots for moving product around. there's still people who have to operate the bots and take/work with the materials from them.

so machines and robots will not take over. i've been hearing that since was a kid. -+-

But one bot/robot can do the work of many humans. You need one
human to maintain, monitor or repair a bunch of machines.

Machines HAVE displaced a bunch of humans for a task.

Machines can monitor other machines, and predict maintenance and failures. Robot designs are generally modular, meaning a part can be ordered, deleviered , then serviced by a less technical person. The part can be sent to a service
depot where a more experienced technician can refurbish the part.

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Re: Re: ChatGPT
By: MRO to Margaerynne on Tue May 16 2023 12:29 am

Re: Re: ChatGPT
By: Margaerynne to Dumas Walker on Mon May 15 2023 11:06 pm

But from what I've heard, SF still hasn't really started recovering from the pandemic.
Regardless of anything else, it's a shame that it's getting this bad, an hope they turn it around.

it was shitty before the pandemic. no pun intended.

It was getting shitty over 25 years ago. There's a Deep Space Nine episode where a trip to Earth results in a transporter accident, and Sisko and Bashir go back in time to the 21st century San Francisco. In this future time, SF
is an internment camp for the homeless.

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Re: ChatGPT
By: Moondog to Ogg on Tue May 16 2023 08:56 am

Machines can monitor other machines, and predict maintenance and failures.

they can do that. but they arent used to do that. atleast to predict maint and failures.

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Dr. What wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

I don't know what you're hearing, but I'd love to see some citations.

If you are unaware of the sanitation problems in some California cities then you are willfilly ignorant. And I don't waste my time trying to educate the willfully ignorant.

You made it sound like a California-wide problem, now you're putting the
onus of your claims on the reader. How convenient.





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Margaerynne wrote to Dr. What <=-

don't waste my time trying to educate the willfully ignorant.

What about for someone who doesn't run in those circles, but is
curious?

Based on the personal attack and lack of citation, I'm guessing this is baseless. If feeling generous, you might get a link to a newsmax article blaming a widespread garbage problems in California on Democrats.



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MRO wrote to Margaerynne <=-

people shit on the ground. tent cities. needles on the ground.
walgreens thefts.

That ain't a California problem, that's an urban problem. And it's
certainly not representative of a statewide issue.



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Re: Re: ChatGPT
By: Dr. What to Hustler on Tue May 16 2023 07:16 am

Willful ignorance keeps people oppressed?? How so?

You already answered your question.

As you primarily give non-answers rather than educational replies,
I can only assume you are here to oppress us.

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Re: Re: ChatGPT
By: Hustler to Dr. What on Mon May 15 2023 12:52 pm

IMO ignorance keeps people opressed by preventing them fro understanding how they are being robbed of their freedoms.

For example, if you've grown up in a repressive society with no rights, you can't know what it's like to enjoy free speech.

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Re: Re: ChatGPT
By: Margaerynne to Dr. What on Tue May 16 2023 08:20 pm

You already answered your question.

As you primarily give non-answers rather than educational replies,
I can only assume you are here to oppress us.

so why can't you use google?
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Re: Re: ChatGPT
By: Feoh to Hustler on Wed May 17 2023 02:22 am

Re: Re: ChatGPT
By: Hustler to Dr. What on Mon May 15 2023 12:52 pm

IMO ignorance keeps people opressed by preventing them fro understanding how they are being robbed of their freedoms.

For example, if you've grown up in a repressive society with no rights, you can't know what it's like to enjoy free speech.

i think you're digging a bit deap.
we are talking about someone who refuses to watch the news and then asks what happened.
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poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dr. What <=-

If you are unaware of the sanitation problems in some California cities then you are willfilly ignorant. And I don't waste my time trying to educate the willfully ignorant.

You made it sound like a California-wide problem, now you're putting
the onus of your claims on the reader. How convenient.

I put the onus on the readers to educate themselves.

It is not my job to educate and the willfully ignorant refuse to be educated, so "helping" them out is only wasting my time.


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Margaerynne wrote to Dr. What <=-

You already answered your question.

As you primarily give non-answers rather than educational replies,

I cannot force you to think and understand.

I can only assume you are here to oppress us.

*Yawn* The barking of dogs in the disance means nothing to me.


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Re: ChatGPT
By: MRO to Moondog on Tue May 16 2023 05:21 pm

Re: ChatGPT
By: Moondog to Ogg on Tue May 16 2023 08:56 am

Machines can monitor other machines, and predict maintenance and failures

they can do that. but they arent used to do that. atleast to predict maint failures.

It wouldn't be hard to implement it. Machines have event logs and hour
meters, and another machine could poll or audit those machines and schedule maintenence and parts replacement. At one jobsite we had an HP storage area network. If a fan failed or gave a messagee that it was failing, it would
send a notice that it was failing and a fan would be sent to the site by couri er and an HP service tech would be notified to show up and replace it.

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Margaerynne wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

But from what I've heard, SF still hasn't really started recovering
from the pandemic.

I went to college in San Francisco and lived there from 1985 to 1997.

San Francisco has ridden the tech wave for decades, and it's made the
city less resilient. When so much of your tax base is from tech
companies and real estate becomes so expensive that only tech workers
can afford to live there, it changes a city.

You lose the families. You lose the artists. You lose the tradespeople,
police, and medical staff. You lose the openness, the acceptance, and the
sheer craziness that San Francisco was.

I'd thought about whether I'd move back if I'd won the lottery, and I'd
love to move back -- to the city I knew. It's no longer there.



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Moondog wrote to MRO <=-

It was getting shitty over 25 years ago. There's a Deep Space Nine episode where a trip to Earth results in a transporter accident, and
Sisko and Bashir go back in time to the 21st century San Francisco. In this future time, SF is an internment camp for the homeless.

The sanctuary district was 20 square blocks. They mentioned "2nd
Street", guessing it was an area the size of SOMA, the South of Market
district that became a tech haven of late.

We're coming up against the future timeline in the episode, but we
should have manned trips to Jupiter, a moon base and replicants by now,
too.




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Dr. What wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

I put the onus on the readers to educate themselves.

It is not my job to educate and the willfully ignorant refuse to be educated, so "helping" them out is only wasting my time.

How convenient for you. Make claims, don't back them up, and belittle
the reader for not being as cognizant as you.

With behavior like that, be prepared to be treated as a troll.



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Margaerynne wrote to Dr. What <=-

As you primarily give non-answers rather than educational replies,
I can only assume you are here to oppress us.

BEHOLD, THE OPPRESSOR!



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poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dr. What <=-

I put the onus on the readers to educate themselves.

It is not my job to educate and the willfully ignorant refuse to be educated, so "helping" them out is only wasting my time.

How convenient for you. Make claims, don't back them up, and belittle
the reader for not being as cognizant as you.

With behavior like that, be prepared to be treated as a troll.

*Yawn* The comments of the ignorant have mo power to move me. Especially the willfully ignorant.


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